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Were we "pickled" into death in Christ Jesus? (or, what passes for teaching at Bethel Church)
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Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dave Dorsey: Were we "pickled" into death in Christ Jesus? (or, what passes for teaching at Bethel Church)
Georgian Banov preached at Bethel last week and said that because the Greek word baptizo was first used (c. 250 BC) in a cookbook to mean pickling, that this is the correct understanding of what it means to be baptized -- not washed, but pickled in the death of Christ Jesus.Does Romans 6teach that all of us who were pickled into Christ Jesus were pickled into his death?Is it correct to teach God's people that a word only has one meaning, and that the first use of the word in history (and Banov is correct that the first known literary use of baptizo is in a cookbook and does refer to pickling) defines the meaning of that word 250 years later?Is it correct to teach God's people that baptism is not washing, but pickling? Banov gives an example of his grandmother pickling a cucumber and says that a cucumber is changed inside and out by this process. Does water baptism change us inside and out? Should John the Baptist be called John the Pickler, as Banov says in this message?You can listen to Banov's complete sermon here (but you have to pay for it, like you do to access almost all of what Bethel Church merchandises and pedals as the word of God) - www.bethel.tv/watch/5195/sunday-night/2018/03/18You can also hear just the relevant excerpt, with an excellent breakdown of the hermeneutical flaw, in the March 19 episode of the Fighting for the Faith podcast, beginning at 51:52.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dave Dorsey:
Re: Were we "pickled" into death in Christ Jesus? (or, what passes for teaching at Bethel Church)
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dean Steenburgh:
Dave, in my opinion I think your lot in life has been to accept a calling to attack a lot of good people because they don't think, act or teach like you do!Your constant insults & divisive insinuations towards those who support Bethel ministry say a lot about you ...& it's not good. I hope & pray your day to day life is not so marginalized that you can't have a one-on-one conversation w/out casting judgment on other Christians or seekers.I have a sincere question for you: has God somehow made an exception in His word to allow you to become a judge of men & their motives?I've told you numerous times that I have a few family members who attend there & the way you paint your comments with such broad brush strokes you seem to have no problem insulting people who enjoy the ministry of Bethel.Honestly Dave, is this a game to you? Do you enjoy insulting the faith, belief & spiritual sensitivity of others simply because they don't believe like you do Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dave Dorsey:
Hey Dean, I noticed you made a lengthy post attacking me but you neglected to mention anything about the topic itself.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dean Steenburgh:
Side-step, side-step, side- step!I knew you wouldn't respond Dave & I don't believe I attacked you Dave because that is against the rules of this board.I disagreed with you & pointed out your lengthy insult towards people who love & support Bethel ministry.I'll respond accordingly when you can respond to my comments in a decent manner Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dave Dorsey:
Dean, all I did was post — with video and audio evidence — exactly what Banov taught at Bethel Church on Sunday. You’re the one who lobbed an ad hom rather than defending Banov’s teaching, but
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dean Steenburgh:
Dave, the playground is for lobbing!You went out of your way to solicit a response because you knew it was salacious.How many times have you heard a lousy analogy or metaphor?Did you even listen to the whole thing or did you just get the pirates version of a little clip Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Old Time Country Preacher:
Dave is doing a similar thing to what the ole timer has done since the inception of Acts, expose/reveal/highlight error and call for discernment in any and ever practice that is questioniable.There is nothing wrong with testing the spirits/practices/beliefs of anyone claiming to be of Christ to determine if indeed they are biblical. What ministers/ministries with questioniable practices do is constantly and consistently look for some new thing. Like their Mars Hill counterparts in the book of Acts that's all they spend their time doing. Once you pull a rabbit outta the hat for a while it loses its appeal, an ya gotta start pullin two out, then three, and they is never no stopping. In religion, the practices become more and more bizarre and ridiculous. And sadly, the gullible will always be present.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dave Dorsey:
Ain't that the truth!
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dave Dorsey: Re: Were we "pickled" into death in Christ Jesus? (or, what passes for teaching at Bethel Church)
And Dean, to answer your question, no, this isn't a joke to me. These people claim apostolic authority to govern regions and nations but time and time again they can't exhibit even the most basic faithfulness to Scripture when teaching and preaching God's word.
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