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Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  aprilmay2.0: interesting GA proposal/motion
there is a motion that basically says all Admin Bishops must have served 5years as senior pastor in order to be qualified.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Quiet Wyatt:
My knee jerk reaction?
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  roughridercog:
I wonder who someone is wanting to stop from becoming an ABI don't look for this to pas
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Travis Johnson: Youth Directors
From Dr. Dan Tomberlin in the Excellent Ministers forum:6/20/18At the 2012 General Assembly of the Church of God I offered a motion relative to the qualifications of Administrative Bishops (see link). The motion was referred to committee and eventually fell into a black hole. I am happy to see a version of that motion on the agenda for the 2018 General Assembly (Item XIX). I am hopeful that some version of this motion will pass.——————————www.danieltomberlin.net/reflections-on-the-state-overseers-qualifications-report/JULY 13, 2014 BY DANIEL TOMBERLINReflections on the “State Overseers Qualifications Report”Warning – this blog entry concerns an agenda item for the Church of God International General Assembly in Orlando. It most likely will be of little interest to many readers. (-:At the 2012 General Assembly of the Church of God in Orlando, I presented the following motion:That we amend page 100, S21. STATE OVERSEERS, II. Qualifications, by adding the following as paragraph 6:6. Must have at least 10 years experience as a local church pastor (This motion will not affect those under current appointment).The motion was referred to a committee for recommendations to be brought back to the International General Council in 2014.I offered the motion out of a concern for a practice in our church – that of appointing Regional Bishops who have “little to no” pastoral experience. Most of our Regional Bishops are being appointed from the ranks of state youth directors or denominational administrators. Therefore, the pastorate is dismissed as inconsequential for leaders of our church.The “State Overseers Qualification Report” has been delivered to the registered delegates to the 2014 General Council. The report does not address the motion. Instead, the report dismisses “mere prequalifiers” as inadequate. I find this to be contrary to the Biblical mandate that “Bishops” must meet certain qualifications. The report presents the need to “return to an apostolic role were mentoring, coaching, and church planting is part of the vision and mission of the office.” This I applaud. It seems to me that this is quite close to the ministry of the pastor. If we are going to “return to an apostolic role” then it would seem that several years in the pastorate would be a primary qualification for a person who is to be appointed as bishop of churches and pastors.According to our polity, the only “prequalifier” for the office of state/regional administrative bishop is to be an “ordained bishop,” the highest level of credentialed ministry in the Church of God. A former general overseer once told me that “the only qualification for state overseer in the Church of God is three votes from the executive committee.”I suggest the Biblical “prequalifiers” are where we should begin – integrity, familial fidelity, honorable, beneficent, temperate, educated, and experienced (1 Timothy 3:1ff). See here.Instead, it seems to me that the committee’s report and recommendations will continue the process of selecting leaders with little or no pastoral experience. This means that the gulf between the local church and denominational leadership will continue. There will be no return to an apostolic role for our leadership. Rather, the bureaucratization of the Church of God will be canonized.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Aaron Scott: I don't like the whole "national office" exemption...
It smacks of trying to provide make is such that those who got to national office without the requisite pastoral experience can still be placed.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Mat: Why would you not ...
Why would you not want your successful pastors to lead other pastors? Denominational leaders who have been appointed and have no pastoral experience can often be compared to hybrids - good for some applications, but often sterile. Some such appointed leaders do not understand the complexity of being a pastor of a church, and often view churches/pastors as a commodity to be managed for the benefit of the the denominational structure. This forum is rift with complains concerning leadership in regards to such issues.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Carolyn Smith:
How could someone possibly lead/counsel/mentor pastors if he has never been one?Seems like a no brainer to me...but hey, I'm just a woman. (That was a joke, fellas. More of Him...less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Mat: Like a man writing a book on mothering ...
[list=]Someone leading/supervising pastors who has never been a pastor seems like a man writing a book on mothering - its all theory and he's lacking the equipment for it.
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Nature Boy Florida:
I also see the requirement to have been a pastor a certain amount of time a no brainer.And make it a 4 year grace period - then it is retroactive...no exemptions.This goes along with letting the states choose men from among themselves - as they know the state better than an outsider.Which goes along with the idea that one day - state leaders will be bivocational. I have never understood state overseers traveling the country or the world while in office. If they are needed that little in their state - then they need to combine with other states - or be bivocational
Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  skinnybishop:
This is a step in the right direction. But I think there is a bigger question to address. Exactly how are first time state overseers chosen? Where do those candidates come from? Is there a secret online application? Of course there isn't a known, formal process and that's my point. The same issue exists with State youth directors. How is a person a youth pastor one day, and a state youth director, 4 states over, the next?I've never understood why that process is so murky. Need a AB, YD, or even a pastor? 1. Establish qualifications 2. List openings online3. Accept resumes 4. Interview candidates 5. Choose leader. That exact process may not always work, for every position...but my point stands: Let's clarify the leadership selection process
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