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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | skinnybishop: Item 5 of the General Council Agenda is a mess |
| Trying to address tithing issues, multicultural diversity, State Youth Director tenure, and appoint a Global Missions Impact Task Force, all in one resolution. And I don't even know what the last paragraph means. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that this 77th InternationalGeneral Council give attention to consistency in tithingand reporting by ministers and churches; andBE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that careful consideration bemade of our voting and appointment processes to assurethat they reflect our multicultural diversity and enhanceour missional impact; andBE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that consideration be given to theState Youth and Discipleship Director’s length of tenure;andBE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a Task Force be appointed tostudy considerations for greater global missional impactin the Church of God; andBE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that we consider the measurespresented to this 77th International General Council forkey and critical matters associated with structuralacclimation with a sense of Kingdom urgency so ourmovement can accelerate our harvest goals spiritually,missionally, and administratively in order to FINISH theGreat Commission |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tom Sterbens: Re: Item 5 of the General Council Agenda is a mess |
| It is my understanding (which I verified through a parliamentarian) that resolutions are essentially and typically suggestions to do the obvious, (my words, not his). Unless they contain specific language otherwise they do not carry the legislative force of an agenda item presented as a motion that alters or amends some existing matter in the COG Minutes. My guess is it will be heard and then accepted pretty quickly.For me, often the resolutions are a declaration stating, Hey, we still believe what we said we believe and everyone needs to know we believe that!Therefore be it resolved that Sunday is still Sunday as long as it is Sunday or until it is Monday. From an organizational standpoint, I've always thought resolutions are sort of like a parent reminding the child that they (the parent) are the parent. You know, if you have to say it, that is probably representing more of a problem than the problem being addressed which required it to be said! |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | skinnybishop: Re: Item 5 of the General Council Agenda is a mess |
| It is my understanding (which I verified through a parliamentarian) that resolutions are essentially and typically suggestions to do the obvious, (my words, not his). Unless they contain specific language otherwise they do not carry the legislative force of an agenda item presented as a motion that alters or amends some existing matter in the COG Minutes. My guess is it will be heard and then accepted pretty quickly.For me, often the resolutions are a declaration stating, Hey, we still believe what we said we believe and everyone needs to know we believe that!Therefore be it resolved that Sunday is still Sunday as long as it is Sunday or until it is Monday. From an organizational standpoint, I've always thought resolutions are sort of like a parent reminding the child that they (the parent) are the parent. You know, if you have to say it, that is probably representing more of a problem than the problem being addressed which required it to be said! :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol: Which is why I'm surprised at how resolutions are used in this agenda. If resolutions are not binding, how can they provide for task forces, etc? The entire agenda is unusual, with the exception of about 3 measures |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tom Sterbens: Re: Item 5 of the General Council Agenda is a mess |
| Hmmmmmmmm.....I would disagree. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Aaron Scott: Skinny...that's actually a VERY GOOD point! |
| If resolutions are not binding, why waste time stating the obvious?Now, there may be resolutions like that elderly woman in Maryland when Robert E. Lee and his troops ran the Yankees out. She leaned out the window and let 'em have it with both barrels of her mouth. She went on about how low and despised that Rebels were, etc. Someone finally said, Old woman, why are you going on and on--it's ain't changin' nothin'. She replied, That's fine, but I want 'em to know what side I'm on! |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | skinnybishop: Re: Skinny...that's actually a VERY GOOD point! |
| But here is the thing......this agenda isn't using resolutions to restate established beliefs. Many of these resolutions call for pretty significant action in the COG. For example, Item 1 is a resolution, calling for a task force, |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tom Sterbens: Re: Skinny...that's actually a VERY GOOD point! |
| OK...so we do a Task Force (or Study Commission...or whatever)...and they come back with their Task Force Study results.What then?We have had a Study Commission examining the usage and understanding of the term Bishop since 2004 (seriously...since 2004). We are still doing that and will be referred to the 2020 Assembly.So now we are going to take on the final word on the Great Commission?? |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | R. Keith Whitt: Re: Skinny...that's actually a VERY GOOD point! |
| OK...so we do a Task Force (or Study Commission...or whatever)...and they come back with their Task Force Study results.What then?We have had a Study Commission examining the usage and understanding of the term Bishop since 2004 (seriously...since 2004). We are still doing that and will be referred to the 2020 Assembly.So now we are going to take on the final word on the Great Commission??I think you see where I'm going... No, I don't. Can you explain this a little more fully?? Sorry, couldn't resist -- and BTW said servant scrivened such succinct summary subverting the sorry state of shortsighted scholarship scrutinizing the source of Scriptural saintliness and scrupulously shaped a suasive and solid substitutionary statement of suited Spirituality strictly for you.... I think I've been to too many campmeetings this year. Just kidding, O Executive Committee and my present and past overseers.Keit |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tom Sterbens: Re: Skinny...that's actually a VERY GOOD point! |
| OK...so we do a Task Force (or Study Commission...or whatever)...and they come back with their Task Force Study results.What then?We have had a Study Commission examining the usage and understanding of the term Bishop since 2004 (seriously...since 2004). We are still doing that and will be referred to the 2020 Assembly.So now we are going to take on the final word on the Great Commission??I think you see where I'm going... No, I don't. Can you explain this a little more fully?? Sorry, couldn't resist -- and BTW said servant scrivened such succinct summary subverting the sorry state of shortsighted scholarship scrutinizing the source of Scriptural saintliness and scrupulously shaped a suasive and solid substitutionary statement of suited Spirituality strictly for you.... I think I've been to too many campmeetings this year. Just kidding, O Executive Committee and my present and past overseers.Keith |
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