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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | caseyleejones: Separating policy from the person. RE: Trump |
| I know there is a great amount of anti-trumpism here. Admittedly, I am puzzled. What policies do you disagree with or what policies are anti-God or anti-church?Sure, he's not suave and he's crass at times. I don't look at him as a savior or idolize him. He will likely get my vote.Obama got peoples vote because of feelz. Are you seeking feelz? |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| I'm attempting to answer your question in good faith. I'm not particularly interested in a deep dive into any of these issues. I also think you'd probably do a better job eliciting constructive replies to your inquiries if you kept things like your feelz line in your head next time. That doesn't do a great job communicating that you're genuinely interested in what people think and looking for sincere, good faith responses.- Bad foreign policy. Fawning over and enabling dictators as a result of himself being easily manipulated by praise. Standing with tyrants. See N. Korea, China (he recently agreed to stay quiet on HK for the sake of trade discussions), Duterte, etc.- Antagonism toward traditional allies, esp. NATO. Recently spent ten minutes on a short call w/ Theresa May expressing his doubt to her that the US/UK intel assessment re: Skripal's poisoning was committed by Russia, based on the fact that Putin told him they didn't do it.- Bad trade policy. - Mental and psychological unfitness. Unrelated to character, crassness, etc. Just the simple fact that his mental faculties are rapidly waning, and that is an extreme danger. twitter.com/atrupar/status/1167183515433230349- Consistently abuses his power as president. Clearly sees himself as impervious to oversight. Acts lawlessly. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| I'd also question the biblical basis of a political leader doing more for biblical Christianity than any other president. At its basic level, that doesn't seem to comport with New Testament teaching. Jesus said woe to you when all speak well of you.Tertuillian said the blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church. The notion of a Church that is doing well when it is popular and approved of by an obviously godless political leader is foreign to biblical and historical Christianity. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| Is there anyone who can argue with a straight face that the author of this tweet is fit to run a lemonade stand, much less fit to hold the single most powerful office in the entire world?twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181033360241709056 |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| Last night, the president signed off on a withdrawal of US troops from northern Syria to create space for a Turkish invasion. Previously, the US was holding this territory to prevent Turkey from invading and slaughtering our Kurdish partners. Now we are giving them a greenlight, trusting their fate to the brutal tyrant Erdogan, who has long been public and clear about his desire to invade northern Syria and kill them.According to multiple sources, this decision was made with no advance notice to the Kurds or US coalition forces in the area. The Kurds fought and died for US interests. They fought and died to help the US repel ISIS. This loathsome man's betrayal of them will have decades of ramifications for US policy in the Middle East.I had stopped arguing about Trump on this forum for a reason. You guys brought it up again, because you're too uninformed to fathom a reason (other than feelz) why anyone would be opposed to him. Hopefully my posts here have helped you. If not, I'm sorry to hear that, but don't bother telling me about it. I've long since concluded that it's hopeless to try to discuss Trump with people whose entire base of knowledge comes from the Fox News echo chamber.I look forward to being able to enjoy political discussion with Christian conservatives in the future, once all of this is over and you guys move on to pretending like you never really supported Trump at all. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: |
| Dave, despite your demonstration of your inability to list the 100 amazing accomplishments next to the few head-scratchers, while picking one line out of my entire post to attack me on when the point was that 95% of Republicans now support Trump. I will admit that this new policy is one of those head scratchers for me. I'm not sure at all what he is doing with that, but unlike the TDS inflicted or even the Trump worshipers, I will wait 48 hours at least to have a better understanding of this. It doesn't look good, and I personally can't stand Turkey, but we'll see. So far it sounds like this is Trump's way to get rid of the ISIS fighters. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: |
| and it didn't even take 2 hours. Trump explained exactly that, Turkey gets to manage the ISIS fighters and they have been warned not to mess with the Kurds (in so many words). Fake crisis over, and to all reasonable Americans, those in the Middle-East will now be on the hook for managing the caliphate while we keep a watch. Its funny how 99% of the TDS patients probably insisted on the same thing under Bush and even Obama (something about not being the police of the world). But when they see what that actually looks like (or that its Trump dong it), then OH NO!!! |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| UncleJD, I love ya dude, but I can't fathom how you read that tweet and found yourself reassured. That is the unhinged ranting of an absolute crazy man.His great and unmatched wisdom? He'll totally destroy and obliterate their economy?Fake crisis? Might want to check with your boy Lindsey Graham and other Republican members of Congress to see how fake it is. Of course, the Kurdish blood will soon be telling you how fake it is as well.You are completely gone, dude. Totally and completely consumed by the Trump brain virus. You rant at length about how others have a derangement syndrome, but you're the one ready to brush one of the most historic betrayals in modern history away on the basis of that absolutely banana town tweet.BTW - this isn't a new thing, Trump has been flirting with this at Erdogan's request for months. He almost did this exact same thing several months ago before being convinced not to. Trump's posture toward allies who have shed blood for the US is not new either, and was the primary reason behind Mattis' resignation.I wish you the best man, but we're not gonna have any luck discussing politics when pretty much everyone on planet Earth is seeing something one way and you're seeing it another. This one was too much even for Lindsey Graham -- not to mention Nikki Haley and NUMEROUS others (including MANY people who are normally firm Trump supporters) who have issued stern denunciations today. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: |
| Sorry, his humor is triggering you. That's Trump, you can't handle it and I understand. It would be nice if you could muster objectivity and remember how you and most of us that consider ourselves America-first libertarians used to feel about paying for the world's bad-guy management programs. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| His humor, sure. You guys keep running with that. |
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