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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: Alcohol and Slavery |
| Okay, forget the alcohol.There is already a heated discussion on the Civil War and Slavery. I don't think it went the way Aaron meant. LOL It takes only a quick search to see many versions interpret certain words: Slave and servant interchangeably.I am not a scholar of scripture i.e. early Greek and Hebrew.But we neophytes know slavery and servants are in scripture. Also buying and selling Hebrews in the OT. Most of us think it was the times and attitudes that this came about. Over the years MOST of the known world decries slavery. WE all have opinions, no need to argue with anyone's position. My question is:I would just like to know what my brothers and sisters personal opinions are as to when and why things changed over the years according to scripture Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| I don't have it in me to participate in another one of these, so I'll offer this and leave it at that -- American chattel slavery was |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mat: Alcohol and Slavery |
| After the discussion on slavery I thought you were going to say you needed a drink. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Link: |
| I do not believe the Bible teaches that owning slaves was a sin or that Isaac or Philemon were sinners for owning slaves. I know this is not a popular position |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: Re: Alcohol and Slavery |
| Good one Mat! Love you dude Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: |
| Thanks Link. That is sorta what I would want to hear, your opinion. I understand also thate is the bonded and not. I am not sure how that worked. I know that many people immigrated to several countries and worked for someone until they paid the cost of getting to the new country. I believe tht was a bond servant, not sure... Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: |
| Terrible internet tonight, that was a duplicate.But since I hate to waste paper.To DD: I readily agree that Biblical slaves were different than the 'new world' slavery. There were strict rules for Hebrews owing and treating slaves in Bible times. I also believe there were slaves in this country that were treated as family and freed later, but that was a minor number. I was just reading the other thread and wanted simple opinions of Bible slavery if that was possible ..... It seemed to be much less in the New Testament Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| So long as biblical slavery is properly understood, I'm not sure this is actually that unpopular a position. Or unpopular, maybe, but not regarded as incorrect in orthodox circles.It's when this view of biblical slavery and the permissibility thereof is projected onto a very cruel and different type of slavery that we start to have problems (and I'm not saying that you're doing that; in fact, I'm sure you're not).Under the Law, antebellum slaveowners would have been put to death (Exodus 21:16 |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Resident Skeptic: |
| So long as biblical slavery is properly understood, I'm not sure this is actually that unpopular a position. Or unpopular, maybe, but not regarded as incorrect in orthodox circles.It's when this view of biblical slavery and the permissibility thereof is projected onto a very cruel and different type of slavery that we start to have problems (and I'm not saying that you're doing that; in fact, I'm sure you're not).Under the Law, antebellum slaveowners would have been put to death (Exodus 21:16, go to the ESV for the most precise translation). I am not advocating for that position, but those who would go to the Bible for support of American chattel slavery will not find themselves on solid ground. It is quite possible that some Christian Roman slaveowners might have been put to death under the Law as well. But the Law was not for Gentiles. And I do not think a slave born in 1855 to another slave falls under the category of Exodus 21:16. Now perhaps the Africans who stole and sold his Great-great-great-great Grandpa would be condemned by Exodus 21:16 |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: |
| Paul uses the same terminology in 1 Timothy 1:10. He says that enslavers are lawless and disobedient and that their practice is contrary to sound doctrine.He also said in Romans 13that love was the fulfillment of the Law, and enslaving people is not an act of love toward them.I never thought I'd be spending so much time arguing to a group of Christians that people who practiced enslavement as described by Exodus 21:16and 1 Timothy 1:10 |
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