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That text seems to go to great lengths to note that those who left Jesus and walked with Him no more, were Disciples. Can non-believers also be Disciples? I've always believed that only believers were called Disciples.Does the word Disciple in John 6:66, carry the same meaning as for example Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?We believe Scripture is inspired by God. So, it seems that God called them Disciples. Are Disciples who walk away from Jesus and never return, covered by Once Saved Always Saved? Whachathink?Doyl

Re: Did Disciples in John 6:66 who "walked with Jesus no more" remain saved?

Nobody was saved in a new covenant context in John 6. New Testament salvation is based on the exaltation of Christ. However, for the sake of argument, I must answer that no, those in john 6did not remain in right standing with God when they rejected Christ

If the gospel accepted on our part is by repentance and faith, (repentance of sin and faith toward God), then either these men were never saved or they lost their salvation. The parable of the sower would indicate Rocky soil. How can you be delivered and refuse to follow the deliverer or saved and refuse to follow the savior?

The key to understanding 6:66 lies in the preceding verse above. The ones who departed were not true believers. This is consistent with John's teaching on apostasy in other places:1Jn 2:19  They went out from us,

The key to understanding 6:66 lies in the preceding verse above. The ones who departed were not true believers. This is consistent with John's teaching on apostasy in other places:1Jn 2:19  They went out from us,

I appreciate the things both of you share and usually agree with your points of view. However, I am curious by your responses here. Do you believe in once saved always saved? If not what is the difference between your beliefs and the Once saved always saved belief?

I'm not comfortable with the nomenclature of once saved, always saved because of the sentiment it often conveys. I do believe in the security of the saints however. John 6taken in its entirety is a powerful statement of the believer's security. I would encourage everyone to read it prayerfully and try hard not to read bias into the text. Jesus makes it very plain in this chapter thatHe will lose none of those given to Him by the Father.

Thanks for the feedback. I never heard that take on John 6