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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | buttrfli24: D-I-V-O-R-C-E |
| Let me preface this by saying I have people in both my family and my church family who are divorced, some more than once, and I am not throwing stones. I just have a question.So a friend of mine who was not raised in Pentecost or even evangelicalism asked me why it was that we don't seem to care about divorce but we are aggressively against other things. I tried to answer her but to be honest, I started feeling silly after a minute or two.I kept using these little outs like, well... it depends on why they divorced. Were they a Christian at the time? Who instigated it? How many times have they been divorced? It was tedious to say the least.So... why are we so quick to criticize or even ostracize some people who have situations but we make concessions for divorce now? Again, I am not throwing stones. I have ministered alongside people with more than one divorce behind them and I know God was using them, anointing them, etc. I just wonder what you all think. Is it an embracing of cultural norms? Is it because so many of us are getting divorced so its not as taboo? Are we more ready to extend grace to people in bad situations? What is it |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | roughridercog: Tough question time |
| Is the Bible an exhaustive treatise on divorce or the plan of salvation? Just asking tough questions today |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: Re: Tough question time |
| If the preposition is .... |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mat: |
| If the preposition is at the very beginning following the creation, it was God who instituted marriage between a man and a woman, then to people of faith it matters. It seems that Jesus referred to the Genesis account in His New Testament discourse on marriage and the reason for a divorce. In that account if was so specific even his closest disciples (apostles) suggested it was better not to marry than to violate God's Word. Our society is consumed with romance, dating, relationships, weddings (and all that entails), being married, many like to do it over and over again. Many who get married will say God put them together, but when they divorce they will say it was God's will, and the next spouse up is the one God really wanted them to have (I think that's Paula White's story). The Christian culture can look more like the days of Noah when it comes to marriage than the defender of the Divine plan for mankind. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Quiet Wyatt: |
| As a rule, the Scriptures are clearly against divorce and for faithfulness to marriage vows. Even Jesus, God in the flesh, and Moses and Paul, all speaking for God, gave exceptions where divorce is permissible, unfortunate as it is. Situations are compounded nowadays with the widespread availability of no-fault divorce. What is a faithful believer to do when, against their wishes, an unfaithful spouse decides to get a ‘no-fault’ divorce? Or just runs off with someone else, and refuses to be reconciled? |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Aaron Scott: Even God got a divorce.... |
| In fact, He spoke of how it was (for the Jews) an ABOMINATION for a man to put away his wife, then, after she'd been with others, to remarry her. To US, that sounds like a love story, doesn't it? It comes across as some sort of they found they just couldn't live without each other Hallmark show. But in the Bible it's an abomination.Yet when God spoke of the matter (speaking of a nation that had turned away from Him), He said Even though it is an abomination, return to Me again! He was desperately in love.No one in my family has ever been divorced, yet I have come to see it in shades of gray instead of black and white. When someone divorces and remarries, some churches act like they need to then divorce their current spouse and return to their former one. Yet the Bible says that is an abomination!The woman at the well, BY JESUS' ACCOUNT, had had FIVE husbands. That is, Jesus didn't act like only the first marriage counted. He clearly was considering each marriage as somehow legitimate, even if for the wrong reasons (which we don't know the reasons). Here's the thing: With the exception of loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves (on which hang ALL the law and the prophets), every law of the OT is based on the normal range of human behavior. For instance, it is wrong to kill someone. Unless in self-defense. Unless it is execution for some crime. Unless in war. That is, in these unusual situations, killing is acceptable. But not otherwise. Lying? Same thing. If the Nazis knock on your door and wonder if you are hiding Jews, that is not the normal range of human experience. You would like (I hope!) in order to prevent an even GREATER moral travesty (the death of innocents).And that really is the key: You can break the moral code ONLY if doing so prevents an even greater moral failure. And since there are no greater moral failures than failing to love God and your neighbor, those are never to be broken. In fact, loving your neighbor as yourself might entail killing someone (say someone who was trying to kill your neighbor).The midwives in Egypt LIED to Pharaoh...AND GOD BLESSED THEM! They understood that the life or death of an infant was the stakes they were playing for, and they did whatever was necessary to prevent this ultimate act of evil against someone.BACK TO DIVORCE....The range of divorce-worthy behavior is typically cheating. Typically. But what about a man who beats his wife severely? Or refuses to support her? Or abandons her and the family? Or what if he is drug addict that endangers the kids by driving will under the influence and/or taking them to dangerous places, etc.? And what if, doing these things, he NEVER actually messes around with another woman? Well, some will tell you that the woman has no reason to divorce him. But these are extreme situations that I believe allow for divorce AND remarriage (divorce is not the sin; remarriage is the key issue).Consider this simple mental exercise: Which is best: For the women to KILL her husband...or to divorce him? Well, some churches would forgive the murder more readily than divorce. Something is clearly wrong with that. And, do we suppose that a girl who married at 18, has two kids, and is forced to divorce a husband that is violent toward her and her kids, must now live the rest of her life without married companionship to be pleasing to God? Must she and her children struggle financially because she is not permitted to remarry in good faith? I simply don't buy that. Why? First, because she is having to pay for the sins of her ex-husband--i.e., SHE is the one who supposedly can't remarry if she does what some say she should do, while the husband, already a low-life, could care less what the Bible or the Church says about matters. Second, I think that the situation is an extreme event, not like the typical range of human behavior in marriages, and so qualifies for an exemption as shown above.It's not necessarily easy to articulate, is it? Yet don't we find those extreme pacifists (e.g., the ones who don't believe even in defending their families with violence) who have such an easy way of explaining their moral position (e.g., We don't believe in ANY sort of violence) to come far short of what we believe true morality demands? |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: Re: Even God got a divorce.... |
| Good comment, even makes sense, But... but.. It says..... Many things are not cut and dried in this world of ours, and divorce hurts many people, But the one thing we must remember God is Love and God Forgives....... Thank God Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | roughridercog: Relative theology seems to kick in on this subject |
| People often have this ironclad belief regarding divorce and remarriage...until one of their close relatives go through it. God's grace seems to get much bigger then.ThereSaid it and I'm glad. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: Re: Relative theology seems to kick in on this subject |
| This is a true statement.One of our Florida pastors, a wonderful young man. His wife was very uncomfortable (did not like) being a pastor's wife. Gave him the choice quit or I leave. He would not quit. She went to the state overseer and explained to him there was no other reason the divorce was going to happen other than she COULD NOT BE A PASTOR'S WIFE and stay sane.The church understood stood by their pastor, I am not sure, but he may still pastor that church. He did remarry.Side note, long after I gave up my credentials, my wife told me, I was never comfortable as a pastor's wife, but I could have never left you.Marriage, divorce and remarriage very complicated in today's society and church. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dave Dorsey: Re: Relative theology seems to kick in on this subject |
| Re: Relative theology seems to kick in on this subject |
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