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I've been thinking.... I would like you to tell us the difference between what YOU believe and what a Judaizer would believe.We know that Judaizers (as they are called) were supposedly Christians. So, since I understand you to be a Christian, can you explain how you are different from them? In the case of the rest (or most) of us, we can CLEARLY distinguish between what we believe and what a Judaizer believes. Can you say the same for yourself?

Shalom Aaron, I believe from the Bible that when someone repents of sins & believes in Y'shua for forgiveness of those sins/breaking G-ds Commandments they/we & r grafted into Y'sreal Rom 11:17. & Fellow citizens with Y'sreal Eph 2I have been grafted into a Jewish family, Praise & Worship a Jewish Rabbi who died for the sins of the world & has asked us to keep His Comments/Covenant. Everyone who wrote the Bible was Jewish, I believe from the Bible believers should keep G-d's Appointed times, His Feasts Lev 23. They are not Jewish customs & the Sabbath starts them off, it's a Feast / Appointed time every week. And we see the Sabbath The Feast Etc all throughout the N.T. being followed not replaced. Is 1 Bible, 1 CovenantG-d's Commandments / Laws / Torah / Instructions are a Covenant, & G-d doesn't break Covenant Ps 89:34. His Word is Everlasting, and the Word spoken is the Torah. His Torah, Laws are what He thinks is right, it's how we know Him 1 John 2:3, its what sets his people apart / Holy from the world, because the rest of the world doesn't keep the Sabbath, doesn't eat kosher, doesn't keep the Feasts of G-d, doesn't keep His Law's. I believe G-d is One, and He has One Way, for one group of people, His people. I read the Bible in the Jewish sense it was written, I do word studies Hebrew and Greek, but the Greek word studies I do focus and speak of things written the O.T. So why I go get the Hebrew meaning of the thing spoken in the N.T. to get the full understanding what that is speaking of in the N.T. Y'shua is G-d, He gave the Torah / Laws to the children of Y'srael, which happened to be jew and Gentile Ex 12, and He called them all the children of Y'sreal after their first Passover Ex 12and same thing in the N.T., we are grafted into Y'srael by receiving the blood of the Passover Lamb and now one Torah is unto us Exodus chapter 12 Messiah is the Lamb of G-d Passover Luke 1, & we're grafted into Y'sraelI could go on and on and on, but for me it boils down to discipleship. We are all call to discipleship that means imitate, copycat our Jewish Rabbi, how He lived, how He ate, how He spoke, what He said, how He walked, and how He talked 1 John 2:6:he that says he abides in Him, ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.Y'shua was obedient which made Him sinseless / Lawful, so since I'm trying to imitate Him, walking like Him, I find myself keeping the Torah, his Instructions 4 Life and nothing bothers me Ps 119:165. It's like a model plane, you don't know how to set up the model without the instructions, so I read the instructions that is presented before me so my model comes out the way it's supposed to. Christian means Christ-Like, I try, and my heart's desire is to look like Him. It doesn't make me Jewish, it's not about being Jewish, it's about me being obedient to His Commands to his people. The Laws aren't Jewish, the Laws are G-d'sJudaizers is represented in Acts chapter 15, the book of Galatians. That your work in the Law outside of Messiah save you & the Gentile has to become circumcised and keep all the Law of Moshe to be saved. That was yoke of bondage in Acts chapter 15:10, because neither they nor their fathers had to live like that to be saved. And just a quick note here there is no such thing as Christian judaizers, they weren't saved they didn't believe in Messiah, the only believed in the works as you did in the LawShalo Ps 122:6

You all will be amazed how close we are in beliefs & how much of the Law are you really do. I guess that sums me up really is my favorite chapter in the Bible Psalms 11 Ps 122:6

Judaizers is represented in Acts chapter 15, the book of Galatians. That your work in the Law outside of Messiah save you & the Gentile has to become circumcised and keep all the Law of Moshe to be saved. That was yoke of bondage in Acts chapter 15:10, because neither they nor their fathers had to live like that to be saved. So, Isa, you are telling me that you DO NOT believe that a Gentile has to become circumcised or keep all the Law of Moses to be saved? If we don't have to be circumcised, then why would we have to abide by, say, dietary rules of the Law?Am I misreading you? And just a quick note here there is no such thing as Christian judaizers, they weren't saved they didn't believe in Messiah, the only believed in the works as you did in the LawBut aren't you claiming that if we aren't doing the Law, we are being disobedient to God? Aren't you claiming--in so many words--that if we don't do the Law, we are not pleasing God?

I just had this conversation with a friend of mine on circumcision, I don't have all the answers on this, & it's not for salvation. I believe in the Bible that a Gentile who becomes a believer does. Not for salvation though. Abraham the Gentile did @ a very old age Gen 17:24, it is Commanded that a new convert is circumcised before his 1st Passover Ex 12:43-44. This connects with the N.T. 1 Cor 11:27-30about someone who is not right with the L-rdThere r others, but Y'shua was circumcised on the 8th day Luke 2:21& He says this in John 7:23:if a man on the Sabbath day receives circumcision, that the Law of Moshe should not be broken are you angry at me because I have made him and every whit whole on the Sabbath day?Y'shua says the Law of Moshe should not be broken & He speaks of circumcision & the Sabbath. & We can talk about Galatians which speaks on this issue, but when it says them of the circumcision & un circumcision it is speaking of Jews & Gentiles. Then we have Titus in Gal 3:2...Did u know that this is still an issue for the Jews? It's that old, they still don't know what to do. I say yes, because circumcision is the sign of the Covenant in Gen 17:13, G-d said He would circumcise our hearts. In the Torah He says in Deut 10:16G-d Commands men to circumcise there hearts & be no more stiffnecked. In the New Covenant G-d circumcises our hearts Deut 30:6, Col 2:11... That's what's so great about the New Covenant, He does the work.Acts 15& Gal speak (& ur right, I miss spoke, the judaizers did know the L-rd, I had my mind on something else) but their program for Gentiles coming into the faith was that if it Gentiles coming to the faith, and if you wanted to be right with God, he had to take on the whole Law of Moshe & be circumcised, especially for salvation. Which there is no Commandment in the Torah like that. This false Doctrine was dealt with in the book of Acts 15, and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians.Well that took longer than I thought LOL, and yes, New Testament believers have to keep the kosher laws, N.T.says that's one of the 4 requirements in Acts 15for a Gentile, he will learn the rest when he goes to the synagogue every Sabbath day and here's Moshe, Torah Acts 15:21. It speaks of them but no one ever looked to see what they're based on and where they came from, but people always quote it.& I'm not claiming anything, if we are all believers doesn't iron sharpen iron in Proverbs? We are all in the family of G-d. 2 Tim 4:2-5explains it very well that people were turn their ears from the truth (truth is Torah Psalms 119 160) ....I had so much to put down, going to have to be at another time. Well I hope I answered some if not all of your questions Aaron, if I hadn't I'm sure you let me know what they are and I'll try to do it again. I'm doing this for my phoneShalo Ps 122:6

I marvel that you could cite Acts 15while claiming the Judaizers were not believers. The whole chapter negates your entire argument.5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

So I repost it in two translations for those who can't rightly divide the truth anymore since their eyes are being blinded by their pride. Not only did my namesake James under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, utilizing the Gift of Wisdom deal with the issue of circumcision and the Law en toto (totality) in Acts 15but Paul himself (who as a Jew of the Jews certainly understood whether the Law was necessary to salvation in Christ) addresses it rather forcefully in the verses here in Galations 5. JD please ignore those who would try to take our liberty in Christ and make us slaves once again to the Law. What a joke!Gal 5:6-12KJV For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. (7) Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? (This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. (9) A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. (10) I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. (11) And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. (12) I would they were even cut off which trouble you.Gal 5:6-12NIV

If you don't have to follow the Law for salvation, but (apparently) DO have to follow it to be obedient to God, then, if I am reading you correctly, you are led to conclude that one can keep one's salvation while remaining disobedient to God.l To say that you don't have to obey the Law to GET saved...but do have to obey to STAY saved...comes out to the same thing: namely, you must follow the Law for salvation.

Does this mean I cannot wear linen with wool

Re: Judaizers were certainly "believers" and not mere Jews