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I read what the supposed degree mill in Zellwood had on their site. They indicated that in a number of cases, credits from their school had been accepted by other, accredited, schools.It came to me to ask this: If an accredited school accepts the credits from a non-accredited school, then doesn't that imply that the non-accredited school's standards are considered satisfactory to the accredited school? And wouldn't it also imply that a non-accredited school can be every bit as up to snuff as an accredited one, since, presumably, an accredited school would not accept credits that are from a school with unsatisfactory standing?IF these things are the case (and I have no reason to doubt that there is at least some truth in non-accredited credits being accepted by accredited schools), then isn't--at least in these cases--the whole angst over non-accreditation really just whining over nothing? And could it not also be held that accreditation is not the same thing as providing a quality education?

Well I ain't taking the bait!But I can remember when Lee was a little college, most COG preachers thought LEE was the BEST, I am not sure when Lee became accredited! Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

Re: Question about Degrees/Credits...

I would respond, but I thought DD meant Doctor of Doctors, what do I know. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

I work for a Technical/Career College. I have also worked for multiple traditional colleges. All of the schools I've worked for have been accredited. Here are a few points that I hope will help, but also end the beating of this poor dead horse on this forum. 1. There are multiple types of accreditation. They are important to ensure your educational institution is peer reviewed. 2. Accreditation ensures that students can receive Title IV funds (Financial Aid) from the government. Unaccredited schools cannot receive Title IV funds. 3. It is always up to the receiving institution as to whether or not to accept transfer credits, even from another accredited or unaccredited institution. I once worked for a state university that would refuse certain credits from a community college that was 20 minutes away... Why? It wasn't the same class. If you took Math 102 at school A, then school B must recognize it as the same requirements or learning outcomes to accept it as a transfer credit. So yes, accreditation is very important, and if anyone is so obsessed with titles, degrees, or recognition, they should just put in the hard work to earn an accredited degree or diploma ---------My Facebook www.facebook.com/theB3

Not sure if it answers the questions but I know of 2 accredited schools in the DFW area (DBU and SAGU), that both accept credit from CFNI. There's a word for that type of transfer but I don't feel like looking it up

OTCP is good for the cog in my opinion. He made many aware of a serious problem. Unscrupulous pastors who use fake degrees to impress churches that they apply for. There is a trend among many applying for church positions to throw a fake degree on the table as qualifications. A standard church board would not know how to discern a real doctorate from a fake. If you want proof of how damaging fake degrees are look to the Smokey mountain children’s home they got popped by the state of TN for having an using unqualified unaccredited degree holder in executive position. www.themountainpress.com/homepage/smoky-mountain-children-s-home-dissolves-position/article c15409da-2e1b-5c58-8c52-d2d0577dfcae.html

SFM, I can't tell ya, son, how glad I am you posted this article. An this is the very kinda stuff OTCP has been referencin. Hey, if all the preachers in the COG what claims/uses the title Dr was checked out (not incudin them at Lee/PTS, cause I guarantee ya they verify credentials), it would be revealed that half of em was not legitimately accredited.

OK, Aaron made the motion an SFM seconded it, so OTCP will address the issue. Here is the deal.1. An undergrad degree (bachelor) is primarily 120 sem credit hours.2. In some cases, legitimately accredited schools will allow a minimal number of credits to be awarded in an undergrad program for either life experience or from an unaccredited school. This is always a case-by-case basis, so there is no guarantee it will happen. It would seldom be over 1/4 of the program. When this happens, 3 years of solid quality education is still earned and the degree is from an accredited school. That's if it happens at all. An I guarantee ya folk that this has happened to, once they get the accredited degree, don't ever again mention the unaccredited hours unless they have to.

Because he's good for nothing!!! Accreditation is the emperor's new clothes. There is no way an accreditation agency can TRULY determine (at least not in an annual site visit, etc.) if a university is up to standard. Just can't.It's very similar to the scam that plays out across elementary, middle, and high schools every year: A teacher is evaluated as highly-effective, effective, or not, based on a SINGLE FORMAL VISIT to the class by an assistant principal. And--get this--the teacher knows WELL IN ADVANCE when the evaluator will be there. In fact, the teacher can even tell them what period to show up! You better believe that we try to hit the highest levels on the evaluation rubric! But even though it is well-intentioned, it has two very deep flaws:1) The obvious one: It's a dog and pony show where a teacher that has been mediocre all year, suddenly dazzles...and where, on the other hand, an otherwise great teacher, can have a bad day and get a less than stellar rating.2) It's so subjective that an evaluator can give you virtually any rating and be able to justify it. I can tell you that I have certainly benefited before from a glowing evaluation when I didn't feel I had actually knocked it out of the park (even with advance notice!). And I've had evaluations that sat me back on my heel, since I thought I had indeed done a superb job, but the evaluator did not think it was worthy of the highly-effective rating I SO RICHLY DESERVED!The same happens at the university level...except it's worse. Why? Because accreditation agencies are PAID by the universities to accredit them. It is a major conflict of interest. I mean, who wants to call a university utterly deficient, when that's going to lose the accreditation agency thousands of dollars a year, as well as, perhaps spawn a backlash that discredits them?So, along with the conflict of interest, there is the rank subjectivity (which is almost always going to go in the university's favor, except for gross infractions).So, let's say that you have you have your bishop certificate, but I come with some sort of scam in which I advertise: You have dedicated yourself to the study of the Word, you have attained an exceptional level of excellence. We think that ministers of your caliber should be nationally and internationally recognized for their excellence. That's why you--yes, you!--can become a charter member of the most prestigious ministerial association in the world and have your ministry recognized as one that adheres to the highest levels of excellence and integrity. For the unheard of price of $400, your ministry can gain the recognition and the networking power that an international.... Blah, blah, blah.Accreditation does NOT mean you received a great education. And non-accreditation does NOT mean you received a bad one. It's just that the accrediting agencies have the bluff on everyone, making them think that if it's not accredited BY THEM, then it's largely worthless (or as OTCP like to say, has limited utility).It's not wrong to seek to attend a university with accreditation. It DOES get accepted far more often than attending a non-accredited school. But it's the END RESULT--and ONLY the end result--that determines the worth of your education. You may not make as much money if you have a non-accredited degree. You might have trouble shopping it. Etc. But you may STILL have an education that is far superior to what someone got at a fully accredited school.If it's about utility, yes, get an accredited degree. If it's all about the money, you might do the same. BUT, if it's about the quality of one's education, that can happen at an accredited OR non-accredited school...or no school at all. But for some, they have built accreditation into an idol of sorts. It doesn't matter the effectiveness of the person's education, it doesn't matter how good or how long they have served...NOPE, the ONLY thing that matters is to score a gotcha over something that does not at all tell us how good your education is.