It is a shame, but a lot of truth in that statement. There have been true 'orators' who could speak with conviction and convince a multitude it was God. Or they could be motivational speakers somewhere else and get the same results.Hage(?) is a very entertaining speaker. I visited his church a couple times at my wife's insistence, but for meat, I enjoyed the small COG close by when we attended..I try to explain to friends, 'That is what 'confidence men' are all about'. It works in religion and construction. Some facts but mostly just my
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