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That's why we turn the lights out during singing now. We aren't able to see the women singing....makes it ok

Here is a direct quote from the Southern Baptist Conference:Southern Baptists believe the place to begin in this, as in all doctrinal questions, is to ask, What does the Bible say? Even a cursory reading of the pertinent texts prompts three important observations: 1) there were no known women pastors in New Testament times; 2) none of the instructions regarding church order include instructions for women pastors; and 3) some texts on church order explicitly forbid women to occupy that role. In 1 Timothy 2:12, written with the specific purpose of regulating the office of pastor and the orderly function of the churches, Paul writes, I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man (NIV). Paul does not expect that women will not or cannot learn or teach (compare with Titus 2:3-5and 2 Tim. 1:5; 3:14,15). He concludes women cannot have a pastoral position, or perform the pastoral function, for that puts them in authority over men in the life of the church.The question at hand is not whether women are of equal value to men, nor is it whether they can minister effectively. They are, and they do! Nor, is it an issue of the autonomy of the local church. It is, rather, that the Scripture assigns the role of pastor to males.The Bible's teaching on pastoral qualifications does not mean it is anti-woman. On the contrary, numerous passages speak clearly and forcibly to the inherent worth and value of women. Women in the New Testament engaged in significant ministry, performing valuable service in sometimes difficult situations. This is readily seen in the Acts of the Apostles. Both Priscilla and Aquila spoke privately to Apollos at Ephesus (Acts 18:24-26), correcting his incomplete and flawed theology. Further, women clearly played a considerable role in the work of the apostle Paul. In his letter to the Romans, Paul identified sixteen noteworthy helpers in ministry (16:1-16), and at least ten of them were women. Women in the New Testament, as they do today, participated in varied ministry, which served to strengthen and conserve the churches.

Author MessageFG Minister PostPosted: 5/14/19 7:01 am Post subject: I Agree with the Southern Baptists on This OneHere is a direct quote from the Southern Baptist Conference: Southern Baptists believe the place to begin in this, as in all doctrinal questions, is to ask, What does the Bible say? Even a cursory reading of the pertinent texts prompts three important observations: 1) there were no known women pastors in New Testament times; 2) none of the instructions regarding church order include instructions for women pastors; and 3) some texts on church order explicitly forbid women to occupy that role. In 1 Timothy 2:12, written with the specific purpose of regulating the office of pastor and the orderly function of the churches, Paul writes, I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man (NIV). Paul does not expect that women will not or cannot learn or teach (compare with Titus 2:3-5and 2 Tim. 1:5; 3:14,15). He concludes women cannot have a pastoral position, or perform the pastoral function, for that puts them in authority over men in the life of the church. The question at hand is not whether women are of equal value to men, nor is it whether they can minister effectively. They are, and they do! Nor, is it an issue of the autonomy of the local church. It is, rather, that the Scripture assigns the role of pastor to males. The Bible's teaching on pastoral qualifications does not mean it is anti-woman. On the contrary, numerous passages speak clearly and forcibly to the inherent worth and value of women. Women in the New Testament engaged in significant ministry, performing valuable service in sometimes difficult situations. This is readily seen in the Acts of the Apostles. Both Priscilla and Aquila spoke privately to Apollos at Ephesus (Acts 18:24-26), correcting his incomplete and flawed theology. Further, women clearly played a considerable role in the work of the apostle Paul. In his letter to the Romans, Paul identified sixteen noteworthy helpers in ministry (16:1-16), and at least ten of them were women. Women in the New Testament, as they do today, participated in varied ministry, which served to strengthen and conserve the churches. Southern Baptists are not anti-woman; indeed, they affirm the leadership of women in family, business, politics, and a wide array of human endeavors. Furthermore, women are an integral and invaluable part of the Body of Christ, serving in a broad variety of important roles both as volunteers and vocational ministers. We don't know how to say this more strongly: women and men are of equal value! However, because Scripture speaks specifically to the role of pastor, churches are under a moral imperative to be guided by that teaching, rather than the shifting opinions of human cultures.

I'm not as theologically smart as all you here......

But this is what I have seen...observation only....There are those groups that adhere to scripture and say that women cannot be pastors.The other group will say it's an issue of culture...Paul wasn't speaking to us but only to them at that time.Do we use the culture card when we don't like what certain passages say? At the same time, I have seen some very successful women pastors and God was on their life at the time.

No question - that is how God communicates. To hell with it.

No question - that is how God communicates. To hell with it.

First, of all, the SBC is wrong about Pentecost. Second, of all, they are wrong about OSAS.But I digress....They have placed a little escape clause in their argument. Very simply, they want women to keep silent...except in those cases where they approve of a woman speaking, etc.The SBC wrote: Paul does not expect that women will not or cannot learn or teach (compare with Titus 2:3-5

Along with the spirit, I also appreciate logic. In the COG I only know one woman pastor from the 50-70s era, Sister Wineberger in the Gaston county area of North Carolina. She must have been a great pastor, I NEVER heard anything 'negative' about that woman. My dad held her in high regard.I am thinking God must have blessed her above many men pastors, her churches seemed to grow and worship God.BUT yes, most 'Religious Organizations' do by their actions wan to keep women on the back pew and at the back of the bus.I have no problem with people who interpret scripture different than I see it, even Highly educated and respected 'scholars' on both sides of the fence cannot agree, how can one HS drop out actually 'declare' the exact interpretations whether cultural or timeline.I just do the best I can... Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

Perhaps Sister Flippo would like to comment on this thread