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Do you consider it necessary to be in full compliance with the Minutes? If so, when was the last time you checked your church over, and what would you do if you found a discrepancy in your approach to ministry?If not, what parts do you consider necessary and what parts are maybe more flexible?

I was a builder for many years. Once buildings were built and given the 'occupancy approved signature,' no one checked again, ever. Even unauthorized open repairs and additions were not questioned UNLESS SOMEONE COMPLAINED!I assume that is how our leadership is, and maybe should be. I don't know. The wheel isn't greased until there is a squeak.I do know of one or two that are way off track, if they were questioned, the church would be independent in a week. We have a few men who know how to organize and build without Cleveland on their deed. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

Dave, do you attend or support any type of Church of God ministry or church?If so, have you asked your pastor this same question?My name is here so it's not a pen name but I'm sure that most of us have a few things we could clean up if that were the high priority of the day lol Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!

I really don't understand the negativity/defensiveness here. 1) I have a friend who is doing undergrad work at Lee and we talk routinely about his coursework. He is going through a class right now on the Minutes and he has been sharing things with me along the way that have jumped out at him.

Dave, as the old lesson goes ...don't read emotion into a response.Nothing negative implied.Do you attend a CoG ministry? Not asking which one just asking if you regularly support one?Besides, I semi-answered you in a round-about way Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!

No to attend, yes to support. Not sure why it matters -- my reason for posting this thread was to generate discussion on a board that is a respite for many COG ministers, many of whom post under pen names and can safely engage this topic without any threat of repercussion against them.My Lee friend's take is that many would lose their credentials if the COG suddenly decided to take a strict approach to the Minutes. The COG is obviously pretty lax generally toward the Minutes, and I assume that probably varies AB to AB. Hence the AB question.It's a discussion board, Dean. People of all backgrounds are going to ask all kinds of things. I was a member of a COG from 2004

I'm sure your motives are genuine.It only matters from a certain viewpoint, to which as a pastor, one wants to know who is asking the question. If I remember right you were a bit flustered one time when I doubted the importance of the Pope & I mentioned something about him making sure for himself that he has a right relationship with God ...to which you seemed out of sorts with my comment. For one thing I don't believe all catholics (including the pope) are saved & on their way to heaven just because they quote scripture & attend mass.Same applies to many so called christians. In the past I've seen you take a hard line on people when you were a mod & you even (ban) threatened me one time ...so much for the 1st amendment. You most likely don't agree with my assertion but this is how you came across on certain issues ...lately I see a kinder version of Dave, something like 67% of the time When people ask these types of questions my ears perk up a little more & I ask myself, 'who wants to know?' Will my response lead to an issue in my state? Most likely not.As a matter of fact we recently went through & started doing some in-house cleanup on issues related to the minutes & we began with membership.I can also go on record by saying my AB is welcome to set up a time with me & we'll go over the minutes & how they relate to my church in it's role with the CoG. We have nothing to hide here & I'll submit these books to him or his appointed trustees if it were asked of me. Going to sound grand standish I suppose but for quite a while we've been looking for better ways to cooperate & work in balance with our denominational covenant Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!

Think you've got your wires crossed here, Dean, if you think I'm a papist or you think I believe people (including the pope) are saved and on their way to heaven because they attend church or quote Scripture.

Think you've got your wires crossed here, Dean, if you think I'm a papist or you think I believe people are saved and on their way to heaven because they attend church or quote Scripture. Sorry Bro, I clearly remember it. But in terms of your statement, I never said any of those things you just purported. Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!

I said this part about my own opinion ...I wasn't assigning this to you Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!