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Delet I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/

Hi Brad, thanks for your post. Please note that this thread is intended for discussion of the purpose of the Law for the New Testament church, working from the presumption that there is such a thing. It is not about whether the Law has any positive purpose for the church, though that too is a valid question and debate. I'll likely split any posts about

Delet I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/

Brad,To help avoid confusion, let's focus on the concept of moral law, rather than the law of Moses. If it's your position that there is today no moral law which Christians are expected to obey, then your position (without making any comment on its validity or value) is outside the bounds of this thread, and I'll be splitting off posts like that to help this one stay focused on the topic of how to properly handle and teach the Christian obligation to moral law.If you do hold that Christians are required to obey a moral law and intend to advocate that requirement as being distinct from the Law of Moses (e.g. Matt 22:37-40, 1 John 5:3

Delet I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/

Shalom dave, I have been waiting for this to take off, I'm more interested in what u think. Like I said all of the Law is moral, & it's all the Law of Moshe, Law of G-d, Luke 2:39. I just want to say, this could be a good discussion, it gets people to dig into the Bible deeper, at least we are discussing it. As I read in the start looks like u want to have a discussion through ur denominational stance, my friend it won't work. If I'm wrong forgive me, I just have done these conversations awhile now. It would be more beneficial for us to put aside something's we have learned & think it's right & test the Scripture Ps 122:6

Exactly that. That there is a moral law to which God requires obedience from all people, including those in Christ. That, separate from our justification and salvation (that is, neither causative nor retentive of such), God requires repentance and obedience. We are saved by faith alone, but Christ's work in fulfilling the law does not eliminate the moral law or put it away; it remains a requirement upon God's people, and this thread is intended to be a somewhat moderated discussion on how to communicate that requirement to people correctly, and how to teach Christ and His grace as the means by which that requirement can be fulfilled, confession of and repentance from sin can be worked, and forgiveness can be received. Again, to reiterate, we are talking about the moral law as it concerns relational sin, relational obedience, and relational confession and forgiveness -- not a believer's positional reality in Christ.

Nevertheless, that is the focus of this thread. Please respect that. I'm all for that, but as I read ur response to brad above, ur gonna have a hard time with this, G-d doesn't have ur denominational stance on things.. U believe there is a section called the moral laws which G-d requires from all. G-d wants all.men to be saved 1 Tim 2:4, but not all will. & my friend, they are all moral, He only requires His people to keep them. U talked to Brad about repentance & forgiveness, u can start right there & ask the question, what are we repenting from? Or pick some if the things ur denomination believes about the Law & talk about it that way, c if it's kosher 😏😉I wrote out the 13 Attributes of G-d in another thread, everyone should read it, I have never heard that in a church service before. Very important to know G-ds mind on things. Shalo Ps 122:6

Delet I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/

Nope. Phil 2:12-13, 1 Cor 15:10